Disinformation Then and Now — with Camille François

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🗓️ 18 March 2021

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Summary

Disinformation researchers have been fighting two battles over the last decade: one to combat and contain harmful information, and one to convince the world that these manipulations have an offline impact that requires complex, nuanced solutions. Camille François, Chief Information Officer at the cybersecurity company Graphika and an affiliate of the Harvard Berkman Klein Center for Internet & Society, believes that our common understanding of the problem has recently reached a new level. In this interview, she catalogues the key changes she observed between studying Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. election and helping convene and operate the Election Integrity Partnership watchdog group before, during and after the 2020 election. “I'm optimistic, because I think that things that have taken quite a long time to land are finally landing, and because I think that we do have a diverse set of expertise at the table,” she says. Camille and Tristan Harris dissect the challenges and talk about the path forward to a healthy information ecosystem.

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0:00.0	To see these major social media giants saying, hey, this is what we're doing.
0:05.5	This is why we're doing it.
0:07.0	These are the detailed rationale for how we've made this decision.
0:10.6	And this is how many accounts are impacted.
0:13.2	These are unprecedented levels of transparency.
0:16.7	And she would know, that's disinformation researcher Camille Francois, and she's been trying
0:21.3	to see behind the curtain of social media for years.
0:24.0	But, they're not unprecedented levels of enforcement.
0:28.2	What we need is to keep the long view here.
0:31.3	And because we don't have that much transparency from the platforms on the many decisions
0:36.6	that they've made in the past, doesn't mean that there are not a lot of precedents here
0:41.0	that are really important.
0:42.8	While what grabs the headlines are cases of influential people being de-platformed, and
0:47.5	that's what's steering our public conversations, Camille pointed out that for years social media
0:52.4	platforms have been continually making decisions, both directly and indirectly, intentionally
0:56.8	and unintentionally.
0:58.0	About who can use these tools?
1:00.3	It's hard enough to manage the situation just in the US.
1:03.3	But it's even more convoluted, uneven, and incomplete in many other parts of the world.
1:08.2	There are many other groups that have been de-platformed in the past.
1:12.0	Some have been completely driven out of the platforms by abuse.
1:15.8	A lot of discussion around sex workers, for instance, who have been de-platformed in
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