At that time, you had a lot of famous figures that were getting money and were funded by this CIA front.

Does it mean that Jackson, people like Jackson Pollock, Andy Warhol, doesn't mean that Jackson Pollock and Andy Warhol were secret CIA agents.

They don't have to know who's funding their artworks or what the cutout is that's really pushing a lot of this. And it wasn't just

abstract and degenerate art. It was also classical symphonies, anything that would project

the ideas of Western civilization. But the problem is that they started, as I said, experimenting

with pushing postmodern art and really wild abstract art and the idea that there's no order, symmetry,

boundaries, it's absolute and unbounded freedom.

And ironically, even A.N. Rand, of all people, had a really interesting critique of this,

which you might think, well, A.N. Rand's kind of a classic libertarian-minded person.

Wouldn't she support this against the Soviet approach?

Well, even she realized in her book on aesthetic theory, which I actually recommend it's really

good.

She has all the same critiques that you just heard me make.

She talks about how aesthetic theory, for example, can't be divorced from order, harmony, symmetry, principles of geometry, right? You can't get, you can't remove those from the arts. For example, music, right? If music doesn't follow certain orders and patterns, right, it becomes cacophonous, it becomes

noise.

But that's exactly what happens to music over the decades after the culture revolution,

music becomes more and more degraded, more and more noise, more and more cacophony, and more based around

social engineering and programming, right? It's debased, and it's done that, it's debased

on purpose. And this is what so many people have a hard time understanding, they can't figure

out. They think that this is too conspiratorial, even though it's in all of these books.

It's not even up for debate. Oh, and they're referencing the character of Marina Abramovich and how her artistic skills apparently prepare her to be an ambassador.

But I think this suggests something that I think really it vindicates what we've

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