Welcome to the Eric Mataxis show.

Animals love Eric.

Why?

Because he's one of them.

He eats tin cans like a goat, and he can inflate his throat just like a bullfrog. And if he gets scared, he hops away, doink, doink, just like a cricket. It's pretty crazy. And now here he is, everybody's favorite manimal. Eric Mattaxas. Todd always has my number. That's what freaks me out. That's why I keep him on because he's got some stuff on me i don't know

i don't know what i don't want others to know about it folks uh both hours today we are talking with

brian ivy the director of this brand new film really kind of a must see it's called

emmanuel it's about the church shooting uh in charlest South Carolina, four years ago, exactly four years ago.

We've spoken about it on this program earlier. We had Pastor Anthony Thompson on the program for that for an hour.

But today, we're going to continue the conversation with Brian Ivey, the

director, the mastermind of this film. But also, we have a few folks coming on. My friend Demis

Salabarios, he's been on this program before. I didn't realize he was a producer on this

film. We also have Polly Shepard is going to be in the studio and Jennifer Pinckney.

Actually, Brian, tell us a little bit about Polly and Jennifer and then Demis' involvement.

Absolutely.

Well, you know, when people think about the shooting, they often say, remember the Emanuel 9, because nine people were killed.

But we've often said, remember the Emmanuel 14 because nine people were killed, but we've often said remember the Emmanuel 14 because there were five survivors.

And so Polly and Jennifer both survived the shooting.

Meaning they were shot?

They were in the room.

Oh, they were in, okay, they were there and they were not killed.

Yes, and Jennifer was in the adjacent room in the pastor's office,

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