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know what you get in return. Thanks. I'm alive. Chris John. Love you to have you.

Good to be here, Matt. Great to be here. How are things?

Been looking forward to this for a long time. How do you really want? Yeah. Well, you ask

really good questions. Oh man, thank you. Thank you. You just question the assumptions

of the world constantly, which is really annoying if you're my wife. Yeah. But that's what

we're built on. This is questioning assumptions. So it's fun to have this conversation.

Yeah. Awesome. Well, you guys, well, Chris, you are the creator of Wise Fund. Yep. We started

three years ago. Yep. And John, your role is I don't even know. I don't know. I am here.

So I'm just found John the street. Yeah. He's actually the guy in charge. Like I think

about stuff. I'm the president of the company. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. John does stuff.

That's right. What we need. All right. Well, for those who are watching, I mean, obviously,

we're going to be speaking about the beauty of having a having a dumb phone. But if you're

out there today being like, dude, please don't preach to me about getting a dumb phone.

I'm not doing it. I can't do it. That's okay. We want to talk about kind of tech minimalism,

more generally speaking. So I think there's something in this in this for everybody. So

for this is cool. I mean, you know, the story, but for those who don't, I gave up the,

I gave up the internet every August. And I was like, I need a dumb phone, but I don't

want a dumb phone that's going to be impossible to use, like having to text on those old flip

phones is just impossible. And my mate, Sam Goosman for the Catholic gentleman texted me this

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