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Welcome to the dig, a podcast from Jacobin Magazine.

My name is Daniel Denver, and I'm broadcasting from Providence, Rhode Island.

Five years ago, on May 25, 2020, Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin murdered George Floyd.

In response, that summer witnessed the largest protest movement in

U.S. history, with an estimated 15 to 26 million in the streets. Crowds didn't just well up in

major cities, but gathered in small towns, in industrial suburbs, in remote hamlets. They protested, they sometimes rioted,

in places that hardly figure in the political geography of contemporary American radicalism.

They raised demands for another world, and, on occasion, took huge strides in its direction.

Today, that feels like such a long time ago.

In the week leading up to this interview,

Kiena Yamada Taylor texted me, quote,

The pressing question is how we went from 26 million people on the streets to a fascist in the White

...