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Did Paul and Moses Prioritize Mission over Joy in God?

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Desiring God

John Piper, Unknown, 163859, Pastor, Ask, Theology, Desiring God, Religion & Spirituality/christianity, Christianity, Religion & Spirituality, Questions

4.83.8K Ratings

🗓️ 9 July 2018

⏱️ 12 minutes

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If Moses and Paul wished to be personally damned so others could be saved, didn’t they prioritize mission for others over joy in God?

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Well both Paul and Moses said that they would rather be personally damned in order for

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others to be saved by a way of a trade.

0:12.7

So doesn't this imply that their vision of mission was higher in their priority list

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than their personal and eternal joy in the presence of God?

0:20.6

In other words, didn't Paul and Moses prioritize mission over joy in God?

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It's a great question.

0:26.2

And it comes from Josiah in Michigan, dear Pastor John.

0:29.8

When I first heard of Christian hedonism, I was put off.

0:32.2

I recognized that with God, the concept of altruism breaks down.

0:36.6

But I still considered it virtuous for the biblical examples of Moses and Paul.

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Moses while trying to make atonement for the sins of the Israelites, the golden calf,

0:45.0

offers to God the option of blotting himself from the book of salvation rather than fully

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punishing the people.

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That's an Exodus 32 32.

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When the Apostle Paul said he wished he were accursed and cut off from Christ for the

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sake of my brothers, my kinsmen according to the flesh, the unbelieving Jews.

1:02.6

That in Romans 9-3.

1:04.7

As I work through your book Desiring God, I have become more fond of the theology, but

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still don't see how it works with the above two passages which seem altruistic.

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My question is, how could a Christian hedonist with a properly ordered mind accept eternal

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separation from his greatest delight for the sake of achieving some other end?

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Aren't Paul or Moses suggesting a personal end in which the salvation of the lost, not

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