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Hello and welcome back to the Americano show, where we talk about power, politics and prejudices in American life.

Every week we will talk to at least one or two or possibly three or four American experts,

international experts about American affairs.

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Americano podcast. Today we are going to be talking about Condé Nast because there is a fascinating

new book called Empire of the Elite by Michael N. Grimbaum, who is a writer for the New York Times,

and this is his first book. And it's a very, very interesting account of Condé Nast, who is a writer for the New York Times, and this is his first book. And it's a very, very

interesting account of Conday Nast, which is a huge media company that has sort of in many

ways defined American life, certainly American high society and that sort of thing for a long

time. Michael joins us now. Congratulations on the book. It is excellent. I thought we'd

start by talking about the sort of newspeg, which is that Anna Winter is now retired as director

of editorial content, I think is her name. Yes. You know, when I started, when I started writing this

book four years ago, Anna said to

me July 2025, you know, I'll be, I'll be changing positions. So it'll be a perfect publication

date for you. No, no, no. I'm just joking. It's been a very, it's been a serendipitous development

that has put Condé Nass in the news. And I'm thrilled that it's brought some attention to a book that I

really started about four years ago just because I had this yen for the golden era of glossy

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