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A bit of a different thing going on this week.

You've been immature and you've lied.

And now you're trying to turn it on me and manipulate me and gaslight me.

I was trying to manipulate you.

Diana, you would be chucking their clothes out of the window.

I know, I'd be like, are you joking?

I don't know.

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Welcome to the History Extra podcast. Fascinating historical conversations from BBC History

Magazine and BBC History revealed.

The Black Death wrought a horrific death toll in the mid-14th century. But did it also usher in

a cascade of social and cultural changes that eventually led to the rise of Europe?

Well, Oxford University Professor James Bellich thinks so.

And he lays out his case in his recent book, The World the Plague Made.

David Musgrove put in a call to James to find out more,

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