Did a Wine Importer Just Sink Trump’s Trade War?

The Daily

The New York Times

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🗓️ 30 May 2025

⏱️ 24 minutes

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Summary

A panel of federal judges ruled on Wednesday that many of President Trump’s tariffs were illegal, a decision that has threatened to derail his trade agenda. Victor Schwartz, the wine importer at the center of the case, explains why he decided to take on the president, and Jeanna Smialek, the Brussels bureau chief for The Times, discusses what options Mr. Trump has to save his trade war.

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0:00.0	From the New York Times, I'm Rachel Abrams, and this is The Daily.
0:12.4	In a blow that is threatened to derail President Trump's trade agenda, a federal court ruled on Wednesday
0:18.5	that many of the president's tariffs are, in fact, illegal.
0:23.2	That decision makes the future of Trump's trade war even more uncertain.
0:29.0	Today, I talked to Victor Schwartz, the wine importer at the center of the case, about why he decided to take on the president.
0:37.8	And to my colleague Gina Smilich, on Trump's options as he scrambles to keep his trade war alive.
0:49.4	It's Friday, May 30th.
0:55.7	Victor? Yes, hello 30th. Victor?
0:56.9	Yes, hello?
0:58.0	Hi, it's Rachel Abrams from The Daily. How are you?
1:00.9	I'm just crazy.
1:03.1	You're having quite the day.
1:05.8	It has just been nonstop.
1:08.7	I got a call from ABC News in the middle of dinner.
1:14.3	They wanted to come over to my place, which kind of got me nervous because I thought
1:18.0	there were some weirdos.
1:19.4	I grilled them a bit, and I hope they're real.
1:21.5	I said, okay, well, meet me outside my building.
1:23.8	No, I'm not waiting me in my house.
1:25.4	So that was fine.
1:26.5	It was very nice people.
1:32.3	Okay. No, I'm not letting me in my house. So that was fine. It was very nice people. And then I got a call from CNN in Hong Kong.
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