Dialogue: The Fifth Mansion

Turning to the Mystics with James Finley

Center for Action and Contemplation

Spirituality, Religion & Spirituality, Christianity

4.8 • 1.8K Ratings

🗓️ 17 August 2020

⏱️ 58 minutes

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In this episode, Jim and Kirsten have a dialogue around the fifth mansion of Teresa of Avila's The Interior Castle and discuss the path it provides for spiritual transformation. In this episode, Kirsten references a translation of the Interior Castle by Mirabai Starr. You can get it here. Resources: Turning to the Mystics is a podcast by the Center for Action and Contemplation. To learn more about Jim, visit jamesfinley.org  The transcript for this episode can be found here. The book being used for this season can be found here. Check out our online course on the Interior Castle, details are here. Connect with us: We also produce other podcasts you might enjoy. To learn more about them and our other offerings, visit cac.org This podcast is made possible, thanks to the generosity of our donors. If you would love to support the ongoing work of the Center for Action and Contemplation and the continued work of our podcasts, you can donate at cac.org/podcastsupport Thank you!

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0:00.0	You're listening to a podcast by the Center for Action and Contemplation.
0:04.4	To learn more, visit cac.org.
0:08.9	Greetings.
0:10.2	I'm Jim Finley.
0:11.6	And I'm Kirsten Oates. Welcome to Turning to the Mystics.
0:17.0	Welcome to Turning to the Mystics.
0:20.0	Welcome everyone to Turning to the Mystics. We're in season 2 and turning to
0:28.0	the Mystic Saint Theresa of Avala. I'm here with Jim and we're going to be reflecting on his Lexio on Mansion 5 from the Interior
0:38.9	castle.
0:40.9	Well where I wanted to start was I get so confused about the way different people use the term the soul and I think the way Theresa uses it and the way you're using it is very specific.
0:54.6	So I wondered if you could define that for us.
0:58.8	You know the word soul in the Christian tradition, say especially in the Christian tradition of the
1:05.8	you know the kind of philosophical theology of the Middle Ages through
1:09.3	Aquinas and Augustine and Bonaventure and Skotis and those people.
1:14.0	And then how it carries over into the mystic says different meanings.
1:18.0	For example, Aquinas following Aristotle.
1:21.0	It says the soul is the principle of animate matter.
1:26.6	So for example, plants have a soul,
1:29.3	because there's a principle, they have a movement from within, they have a vegetative soul, you know.
1:36.7	And then likewise animals have a sensate soul, dogs and cats and so on, because they're
1:42.1	alive, the soul soul and that for Aristotle to that that soul was
1:47.2	immaterial it was ontological it was the being person and then for the human person that has a rational soul so to think
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