Devin Williams Heads to the Mets & Pre-Winter Meetings Moves
Rates & Barrels: A show about Baseball
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4.7 • 874 Ratings
🗓️ 5 December 2025
⏱️ 68 minutes
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Summary
Eno, Jed, and DVR discuss Devin Williams' shift to the Mets on a three-year deal, Cody Ponce's new pact with the Blue Jays after a very successful run in the KBO, a reunion for Emilio Pagán and the Reds, and Cedric Mullins' fit for the Rays. Plus, they examine the long-term potential of Jac Caglianone and Luke Keaschall, before discussing the 2025 Hall of Fame Ballot and loss of doubles and triples.
Rundown
3:30 Devin Williams Heads to the Mets
12:32 The Blue Jays Sign Cody Pence
17:10 Emilio Pagán Returns to Reds; Another Year to Close?
20:12 Cedric Mullins to the Rays
28:03 Johan Ovideo to Boston in Five-Player Swap
32:48 Long-Term Potential: Jac Caglianone & Luke Keaschall
51:51 Thoughts on This Year's BBWAA Ballot
1:08:54 Where Have the Doubles & Triples Gone?
($) Jayson Stark: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6856840
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to Rates and barrels. |
| 0:12.5 | It's Friday, December 5th. |
| 0:14.2 | Derek and Ryper, you know, Sarah's Jed Lowry, here with you on this episode. |
| 0:17.4 | The hot stove continues to cook. |
| 0:19.3 | We got more players on the move. New homes for |
| 0:22.5 | Devin Williams and Cody Ponce. A familiar place for Emilio Pagan. Cedric Mullins has a new team. |
| 0:28.5 | We got a trade between the Red Sox and Pirates we're going to get to. Got a great mailbag |
| 0:32.6 | question about the long-term potential of Jack Keglione and Luke Kishel. We'll dig into that. |
| 0:37.9 | Plus, we got the Hall of Fame ballot. |
| 0:39.9 | The Contemporary Era Committee meets on Sunday. |
| 0:42.8 | There's going to be some players probably getting in from that vote as well. |
| 0:46.7 | And a piece that Jason Stark wrote about doubles and triples disappearing and what baseball might need to do about that. First and foremost, Jed, |
| 0:56.0 | welcome back from the Thanksgiving break. How was your Thanksgiving? We had a great Thanksgiving. |
| 1:01.2 | Good to be back. We spent it over in Central Oregon. And, you know, like I said, quiet, quiet Thanksgiving, |
| 1:07.8 | which is always nice, drama, drama free. What are you getting weather-wise in Central Oregon on Thanksgiving? |
| 1:13.4 | Is it kind of like 50s in gray, or is it actually all right? |
| 1:17.0 | We're in high desert over there, so I actually played golf. |
| 1:20.5 | I played golf. |
| 1:21.8 | It wasn't warm, but it was a beautiful day. |
| 1:26.0 | And when you get the sun out in Central Oregon, it just, you know, at that high desert elevation, it feels warmer than the, than the thermostat will show you. And the ball flies, I guess, huh? The ball, the ball, despite the cold weather, the ball still goes a lot further. Oh, man, that's a hack. I got to get out there sometime. Got to get out there and play. I saw someone say, you should never play golf under 60 degrees. And I was like, ooh, that cuts a lot of golfing. I've actually found that cold weather golf makes my game better because you try less, right? It's like, all I'm trying to do here is make solid contact. Because if you don't, |
| 2:03.7 | you know, you're either getting, you know, face full of mud or your hands are ringing for the next, |
| 2:09.8 | you know, 15 minutes. So it simplifies the game. Well, hey, you both have an open invitation |
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