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Notes from America with Kai Wright

Desegregation By Any Means Necessary

Notes from America with Kai Wright

WNYC Studios

News Commentary, Politics, History, News

4.41.5K Ratings

🗓️ 5 April 2021

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Summary

A gun-toting Black Power advocate was made principal of a Marin County, California school during efforts to desegregate 50 years ago. As they try again, we recount his radical legacy. As the Sausalito Marin City School District continues to grapple with school desegregation, Reporter Marianne McCune brings us the sequel -- and the prequel -- to “Two Schools in Marin County”. She takes us back in time to witness how one of the first communities in the country to voluntarily desegregate took an unapologetically Black approach to better educate all students and the lessons that resonate as they push for change today. Special thanks to David Duncan, a PhD student in history at UC Santa Cruz looking at school desegregation in the Bay Area, and to many other Sausalito and Marin City residents, past and present, who shared their memories for this story. Companion listening for this episode: “Two Schools in Marin County” (2/6/2020) In the classrooms and town meetings of Marin, California we witness a community grappling with what desegregation and reparations might look like in the 21st century. “Actor Daniel Kaluuya’s Road to Revolutionary” (3/4/21) Kai talks to the “Judas and the Black Messiah” star about his award-winning portrayal of Fred Hampton and the legacy of the Black Panther Party. “The United States of Anxiety” airs live on Sunday evenings at 6pm ET. The podcast episodes are lightly edited from our live broadcasts. To catch all the action, tune into the show on Sunday nights via the stream on WNYC.org/anxiety or tell your smart speakers to play WNYC. We want to hear from you! Connect with us on Twitter @WNYC using the hashtag #USofAnxiety or email us at [email protected].

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0:00.0

Hey everybody just a heads up before you listen to this episode there's a good bit of

0:04.2

salty language in it if you're not in the mood for that or if you're listening with

0:07.9

somebody you don't want to expose to that then try this one later thanks

0:11.9

otherwise enjoy then try this one later. Thanks. Otherwise, enjoy.

0:15.0

This is the United States of Anxiety, a show about the unfinished business of our history and its grip on our future.

0:21.0

Brown versus Board of Education declared school-based racial segregation to be unconstitutional.

0:26.6

It was intended to desegregate schools, but that isn't exactly what happened.

0:30.7

There's not an easy answer, and I we always wanted to be easy but undoing racial

0:35.9

cast in an educational system is not easy.

0:38.8

And I say segregation now, segregation tomorrow, and segregation forever.

0:45.0

I never really realized how unequal things were until I came back here.

0:51.0

We're talking about physical placement. We're not talking about a culturally

0:54.6

competent education. Students are not resting. We are not going to rest because this is not

0:59.0

okay. It's not fair and a public school system should not be propagating inequities between communities.

1:12.0

Welcome to the show, I'm Kai Wright. Schools. It is hard to find a more plain example of unfinished business in our history than the very long debate over how to equitably educate our kids.

1:25.0

From pre-K all the way up to graduate programs, it's been a core challenge since at least

1:30.0

reconstruction, culturally, politically politically and legally.

1:33.6

And yet we are constantly reminded how little progress has actually been made.

1:39.0

Schools remain starkly segregated by both race and class. Even among seemingly integrated school systems,

1:45.1

it often turns out there's stark segregation within each school, as the

1:49.5

pandemic has dramatically reminded us.

1:55.1

So in today's show, we returned to a story we began telling just before the pandemic erupted.

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