Welcome back to Gavin with Gibb.

If you're out here counting down the hours until new episodes of the traders drop on Beacock,

you're not alone because I am too.

Even though the season started off pretty cruelly for Bravo fans,

it's evened out a bit in the recent episodes and it's still very much delivering on its promise for me. I'm your host Gibson Johns, and today on the show, we're talking traitors, and I have an interview with the most recently murdered faithful Derek Lavasser, who also won Big Brother back in the day, and I have seen every single season of Big Brother. I'm not super entrenched in like the lore or the online fandom for that show, but I still watch it.

Derek is a true game player, and I know that that's what makes him unpopular with a lot of like the

bravo-centric viewers this season.

And even though, again, I'm not really super tuned into the Big Brother lore.

I'm not sure if he's the most popular winner with that fandom either, but maybe I'm wrong.

He even says in our chat, though, that his approach to winning that show was kind of considered boring. Anyway, all of that said, I found him to be a great chat about his time on the show, why this is the first show that he's done since Big Brother. Because as you know by now, like a lot of people who either are standout contestants or winners of a lot of these competition shows,

they get offered these sort of mash-up reality shows all the time. know by now, like a lot of people who either are standout contestants or winners of a lot of these

competition shows, they get offered these sort of mash-up reality shows all the time. And he's

never accepted one until now. And I were just really like talking with him about like the competition

itself and his strategy and the game. And he truly has like a mind for that. You know, he had like

an actual strategy when it came to who to go after when,

what to bring up at the roundtable and all that kind of stuff. And, you know, I loved my chats

with Robin and Chanel earlier this season after their murders. But this one was different in a

welcome way where I really felt like I was getting a peek into the brain of a gamer. And so I think

you'll really enjoy this chat and find it pretty

fascinating. I actually really liked that he like gave him credit to Danielle for her for her

approach to the game because I think that's been pretty controversial for myself included.

And yeah, so just keep listening for that interview. But before we get to that, some quick

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