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The Bakari Sellers Podcast

DeRay Mckesson and the State of Criminal Justice Reform

The Bakari Sellers Podcast

The Ringer

Politics, News

4.8966 Ratings

🗓️ 12 January 2023

⏱️ 25 minutes

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Summary

Bakari Sellers is joined by civil rights activist and cofounder of Campaign Zero DeRay Mckesson to discuss reports of spikes in crime (6:28), the work being done to close Rikers Island jail (15:53), and policing during the Biden administration (22:20). Host: Bakari Sellers Guest: DeRay Mckesson Producer: Donnie Beacham Jr. Executive Producer: Jarrod Loadholt Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

I won't tell you that it's gonna be okay.

0:07.0

I won't tell you that it's to be okay.

0:18.0

Welcome to another episode of the Bicari Cellars Podcast. Dorei McKesson, what's going on my brother?

0:20.0

How are you feeling?

0:21.0

It's been a while.

0:22.0

It's good day. Good to be back. I'm good.

0:24.0

I'm good. I'm glad you here man. Like life as we were talking about we've all been through some things as this year is kicked off but talk to me

0:30.0

Tell me how you are feeling once new when we're're getting together again, man, it's been too long.

0:34.0

I know it's been well, I'm good, I'm good, you know, we at Cambridge there we're doing good work, my life is good, so,

0:40.5

so I'm good, you know, we, every day we like uncover a new part of the system and are like, wow, did you know that was crazy or did you know that's the reason why I did it out?

0:49.0

So I'm like surprised that I'm still shocked by stuff, but every day I'm like, you you know we're about to do this big thing on drug-free school zones and like before we did it I wouldn't have I wouldn't have known that every drugs free school zone is a bad thing like nothing to do with kids. Let me also let let me just, first of all I didn't know you were doing that. We were going to, my first question was about campaign zero and what are you doing? But can we talk about drug-free school zones as a criminal defense lawyer, which I do sometimes.

1:13.2

I have seen so many people get charges added on to them

1:17.2

for selling drugs in a drug zone.

1:20.7

And it's like you can be within like a hundred yards of a school, a church, a daycare or anything and you get an extra felony charge. It's the wildest thing ever.

1:30.0

I love that you know this. Yeah, so we have the only updated it's not public

1:34.6

yet it's gonna come out soon we have like the only database that has this updated and

1:38.3

you know the worst state in the country is Alabama's in Alabama it's in Alabama it's

1:41.6

three miles within every it's is in Alabama. So 70% of the state of Alabama is actually covered by a zone which is really wild.

1:49.6

But the way that they operationalize what a zone is is nuts it's every school it's public

1:55.2

housing projects it's some some places have bus stops churches daycares, and parks.

2:03.0

And you're like, what?

2:04.8

I know.

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