Hey we are back and with me in studio is Denise Grace Gitcham.

She's a former White House of Aidan author of a brand new book, Politics for People

who Hate Politics. How to engage without losing your friends and selling your soul.

Denise, nice to meet you.

Nice to meet you, Brian.

So what years are in the White House?

Oh, so I worked, I started on the campaign with Governor George W Bush.

I worked for Carl Rove.

And a funny story that I actually include in the book is when we talk about our identities and how we identify as you know one party of the other I had a

misidentification when I worked on the campaign which was I was the head of Hispanic outreach but I'm actually Chinese

So I was kind of known as the Hispanic liaison during the campaign and then I went to the White House I worked for Harriet Myers

And then I went over to work for Attorney General John Ashcroft who

honestly he was a living example of many of the principles that I espouse in the

book. Which was understanding and listening? Just such a good man of faith who

really lived true to his character and the

spiritual principles that he espoused understood so when you were there at the

White House what was the main takeaway that you that you still think about today?

Well I remember what we campaigned on and what

Governor George W Bush later president lived up to,

which was that he ran on a platform of being a uniter,

not a divider, which really sounds foreign in today's political realm which is which you try to get across now it is it's really something I believe is necessary so in your book politics for people who hate politics you obviously don't hate politics. I love politics, but there's moments, I have my

moments. Do you think it's changed dramatically since you were in the White House?

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