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Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

DELPHI SUSPECT CLAIMS GIRLS MURDERED BY “PAGAN” CULT

Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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3.97.6K Ratings

🗓️ 6 August 2024

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Summary

After several pre-trial hearings, it seems that everyone connected to the murders of Abigail Williams and Libby German is absolutely certain of who killed the girls, but they cannot agree on who that person is. Richard Allen is set to stand trial on October 15th, but theories that an Odinist cult, sex traffickers, or a now-dead violent man attacked the girls are muddying the waters.

Testimony during the hearings confirms several details about the crime scene. Both Abby and Libby’s throats are cut, and the girls bodies are covered with branches. Libby is found completely nude, and Abby is dressed in both hers and some of Libby’s clothing. Aside from the neck area, the clothing found on Abby is mostly clean.

Prosecutor Nicholas McLeland believes the case against Richard Allen, 51, is air tight, after discovering over 60 recorded confessions by the accused killer in jail phone calls to his wife and mother. McLeland says just over a year ago, Allen began speaking about the murders in very specific detail with almost anyone who would listen. A fellow inmate even testifies that Allen revealed to him that he killed the girls with a box cutter, which Allen later disposed of in a CVS dumpster.

However, defense attorney Bradley Rozzi argues that Allen’s numerous confessions are not valid and should not be allowed into evidence. Rozzi argues that Allen’s mental state is degrading due to near constant solitary confinement, fueling his client’s admissions of guilt. Rozzi goes on to show the details Allen describes are inaccurate. In one recording, Allen tearfully expresses regret for molesting the girls, but their autopsies do not show any signs of rape or sexual abuse.

On the witness stand, Dr. Monica Wala, an Indiana Department of Corrections psychologist treating Richard Allen, claims that she noticed the accused killer spiraling just before the confessions began. Walla testifies that staff is providing Allen anti-psychotic medication at least once a month.

While Special Judge Fran Gull has yet to rule on the admissibility of Richard Allen’s many confessions, testimony did sway her to vacate a “safekeeping” order and remove Allen from the Westville Correctional Facility. Allen will instead be held at the Cass County Jail for the remainder of his pre-trial lock up.

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  • Chris McDonough - Director at the Cold Case Foundation, Former Homicide Detective, https://www.coldcasefoundation.org/chris-mcdonough---law-enforcement-relations.html, Host of YouTube channel, The Interview Room.
  • Dr. Mark Mirabello - Former Professor of History at Shawnee State University, Author: “The Odin Brotherhood”, https://www.markmirabello.com
  • Joseph Scott Morgan - Professor of Forensics: Jacksonville State University, Author, "Blood Beneath My Feet", Host: "Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan", @JoScottForensic
  • Susan Hendricks - Journalist, Author: “Down the Hill: My Descent into the Double Murder in Delphi’, IG @susan_hendricks X @SusanHendicks

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0:00.0

Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

0:06.0

Delphi Murder Suspect is claiming these two little girls, Abby and Libby, ages 13 and 14, were murdered by a pagan cult. This as reams of

0:19.5

evidence is pouring from the witness stand, but what will be allowed in front of a jury?

0:26.4

I'm Nancy Grace, this is crime stories.

0:28.6

Thank you for being with us.

0:33.0

Who murdered Abigail and Liberty?

0:38.0

A suspect is caught on video with his menacing instructions down the hill.

0:44.0

So much happening in a court of law, but what will the jury be allowed to hear?

0:52.0

Something really does it seem right,

0:55.4

that we know all of this evidence,

0:57.7

but the jury may never know it, for instance, listen.

1:00.3

Testimony during the hearings

1:01.8

confirmed several details about the crime scene.

1:04.0

Both Abby and Libby's throats are cut, and the girl's bodies are covered with branches.

1:09.0

Libby is found

1:15.0

a newd and Abby is dressed in both hers and some of Libby's clothing.

1:16.0

Aside from the neck area, the clothing found on Abby is mostly clean.

1:20.0

Okay, I'm supposed to believe a pagan cult had as responsibility for the brutal

1:27.1

murders of two little girls. One, I believe, naked the other one had on the other's clothing.

1:35.7

Hold on, let's get the facts straight.

1:37.6

Joining me an All-Star panel to make sense of what we know right now,

1:40.8

and living through the entire probative hearing which means

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