Delphi Murders: Suspect Confesses 61 Times To Girls’ Murders, Wife Says “Stop Talking!”
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace
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🗓️ 24 October 2024
⏱️ 42 minutes
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Summary
On day five of Richard Allen's murder trial, jurors heard testimony from the forensic pathologist who performed the autopsies of Abby Williams and Libby German, as well as from a witness who saw the 'Bridge Guy' on the day of the murders.
Dr. Ronald Kohr, who previously reported that he believed two knives were used in the killings, testified that he now believes the 'serration' seen in some of Libby's wounds was likely caused by an element on the handle of the blade. Kohr suggested that a box cutter with an extra thumb grip could have been the sole murder weapon. This testimony surprised Allen's defense team and directly contradicted Andrew Baldwin's opening statement, aligning instead with the state's claim that Allen used a box cutter to slash the girls' necks.
Sarah Carbaugh, a lifelong Delphi resident who was walking her dogs on the afternoon of February 13, 2017, also testified about her sighting of the 'Bridge Guy.' She said she saw a man walking west on Country Road 300, covered in blood and mud, as if he had fallen on the trail. Carbaugh later recognized him from the video clip released from Libby's phone, but waited three weeks to report the sighting due to anxiety.
Allen's defense questioned Carbaugh about discrepancies in her description during cross-examination, noting that her recorded interview mentioned blood only once. Baldwin also pointed out unusual details in her description, including her remark about the man's "effeminate eyes." Carbaugh pushed back, reminding Baldwin that over an hour of her interview video had been accidentally destroyed.
Jurors have yet to hear testimony on Allen's 61 confessions. Among the hundreds of pages of court documents released since the start of the trial, a signed confession letter from Allen, stating, "I hope I get the opportunity to tell the families I'm sorry."
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Philip Dubé – Court-Appointed Counsel, Los Angeles County Public Defenders: Criminal & Constitutional Law; Forensics & Mental Health Advocacy
- Dr. Bethany Marshall – Psychoanalyst, Author – “Deal Breaker,” featured in hit show: “Paris in Love” on Peacock;, Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall, X: @DrBethanyLive
- Bill Daly – Former FBI Investigator and Forensic Photography, Security Expert
- Joe Scott Morgan – Professor of Forensics: Jacksonville State University, Author, “Blood Beneath My Feet,” and Host: “Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan;” Twitter/X: @JoScottForensic
- Barbara MacDonald – Court TV Documentary Producer, Co-Host/Producer of HLN’s “Down The Hill Podcast” and Documentary, X: @NewsyBarbara
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| 0:00.0 | Crime Stores with Nancy Grace. |
| 0:05.0 | To the trial and Delphi, two beautiful little girls, |
| 0:10.0 | found dead, the ground beneath them saturated in blood. |
| 0:17.6 | As a digital expert and a medical examiner take the stand, we also learn the suspect confesses over 61 times to the little |
| 0:28.8 | girls murders. To the point his wife says on the phone stop talking I'm Nancy Grace this is crime |
| 0:38.8 | stories thank you for being with us and now we know why the girl's clothing was soaked. |
| 0:47.0 | There were about three different areas where the clothing was in the creek. |
| 0:52.7 | All of the clothing that was collected from the creek |
| 0:55.8 | was inside out. |
| 0:57.4 | The gray hoodie that you see Abby wearing right there |
| 1:00.6 | was found submerged in the creek. Libby was completely nude and Abbey was |
| 1:06.6 | wearing Libby's jeans and putty along with a gray sports bra that we believe belonged to Abbey. |
| 1:15.0 | Forensic pathologist Dr Rowland Corp performed autopsies on Libby and Abbey. |
| 1:20.0 | He did Abbey's autopsy first and said she suffered one large gaping wound in the neck. |
| 1:24.8 | It was a one inch deep, three inch long incision wound of her neck. |
| 1:28.5 | Abby also had a faint mark under her mouth which Dr. Korsed could be from duct tape or cloth but she didn't |
| 1:35.1 | show any signs of restraint wounds. She also showed no sign of blunt force trauma. |
| 1:39.4 | Dr. Kour also said that even though a rape kit showed no overt injury pattern that it doesn't mean that |
| 1:45.7 | sexual contact did not occur. |
| 1:47.7 | Believe it or not online all sorts of bizarre conspiracy theories are sprouting, but we learn in court a rape kit was performed |
| 1:57.9 | and apparently no sex attack could be proven from what was found on the bodies, then why were the girls naked? |
| 2:07.7 | Why were they forced a strip out in the middle of nowhere in that cold temperature? So much happening in the courtroom and we are live at |
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