Hi, I'm Steve Van Mieter, macro fund manager and inventor of Port FulloShield, and I'm here today with the President of Real Vision Travis Kimmel. Travis, thanks for joining me today.

Great to be here, Steve.

So Travis and I, we talk about macro pretty much every day, and Travis has a deep view in the macro world. He's got a great framework, and I wanted to get him on to talk about somebody such as because he's not afraid of the controversial ones.

But before we do that, I want to bring Travis's background into the picture here because a lot of us don't know where he came from. So Travis, can you tell us kind of what you were doing before you became the President of Real Vision?

Yeah, so back in the day, I graduated with a philosophy degree, and upon graduation realized the philosophy plant wasn't hiring, so had to figure out a way to make money in the real world and stumbled into software development.

I ended up going down that path as a developer for a few years, got into the management side of software engineering and quickly noticed that the tooling around how software engineering is managed is really kind of in the dark ages.

So a friend of mine and I formed a company called Git Prime back in, it was 2015-ish, and built out a platform that plugs in to sort of get and version control all these tools that software developers use to help give a better view of what's happening down the trenches.

And it was the CEO of that for four and a half years, and we ended up selling the company, did about a year of integration work, and then came over to Real Vision.

Well, that's really cool. So, but before this, you're kind of semi-retired, at least how you and I kind of met, starting to get to know each other, and then for those who have been Real Vision subscribers for a long time, there's one of two ways that you find out Real Vision is hiring.

One you log in and Milton tells you there's potential job openings, or number two, you're on Twitter and either Raul or the production team is flying a job, but with you, we didn't see that.

Just out of nowhere, Raul announces on Twitter, we have a new president, it's Travis. So I think, can you tell us a little bit about how that happened?

Sure. I initially reached out to Raul just to say thanks. I mean, I'm a big fan of the platform, I've been a subscriber for a while, and was trying to decipher the world of economics.

I found out that I had had some sort of misconceptions about that, and then found Real Vision and dug in and was watching at one point, initially I was watching like three or four hours of videos a day, I just got totally obsessed with it.

So I reached out to Raul and say thanks for making a great product, we connected, started chatting for a while, and then after a bit we started collaborating just kind of lightly on some ideas around how to build out additional software and features that he had an eye on.

And then we were talking on one meeting, he's like, hey, what do you think about coming over and being president? I thought he was joking. So I just sort of laughed, I'm like, yeah, cool, that sounds great.

Then he hit me up after the call, he's like, seriously, what would it take? So yeah, I mean, sort of stumbled into it, but I'm really glad to be here, it's an awesome group.

Well, I know on behalf of the subscribers and everyone else, we're excited to have you here. Can you share with us maybe some of the ideas that you have.

I know you've only been president for a short while now, but maybe some of those ideas you have for the Real Vision platform.

Yeah, we're really attentive to a lot of the requests that we see coming in, some of which are, you know, I think people have the experience that there's a lot there and that

fleshing out the UI, so it's a little easier to navigate being able to follow a theme through the platform. I think the first layer of what we'll do is

thinking about how we package all this content up so that people can track the things that they're interested in a little more specificity.

There will be a lot of other, you know, nice to have upgrades, kind of overall maturation of the software platform and then some super top secret stuff down the line.

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