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Defecting From the ‘Ultimate Propaganda Country’: Hyun-Seung Lee on North Korea’s Oppressive Regime, Its Relationship With China, and Its Nuclear Bluster

American Thought Leaders

The Epoch Times

Government, News, Politics

4.91.2K Ratings

🗓️ 20 July 2023

⏱️ 51 minutes

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Summary

“I’ve communicated with some people inside of North Korea, and I heard from them that the recent famine is very similar to [the] 1990s famine. And, as we all know, almost 3 million people died of starvation during that time.”

Hyun-Seung Lee, otherwise known as “Arthur” Lee, is a former member of the North Korean ruling party. He and his family were fiercely loyal to the communist regime. But being on the side of economic reform and having witnessed several brutal internal purges by Kim Jong Un—including that of Kim’s uncle—the family made the decision to defect.

“Many people, especially top people, and even [the] general public in Pyongyang City, don’t know what’s happening outside Pyongyang because of the isolation of the information. The regime structure controls the information distribution,” says Mr. Lee.

We discuss North Korea’s current food crisis, the regime’s nuclear weapons program, the value of free information, and what can be done to bring about change.

“North Korea’s regime keeps saying that once we have nuclear weapons, we’ll live [a] better life … and we will be a strong country in terms of economy and the military side. Now, they have enough nuclear weapons—and the people are still suffering from starvation,” he says.

Despite the political and cultural divisions in the United States, Mr. Lee believes that it is one of the world’s greatest nations in terms of its commitment to democracy and individual freedoms.

“American people should respect this society, because many people in the world think that still, America is the best. The freedom they have cannot be compared to the other nations,” says Mr. Lee.

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0:00.0

I've communicated with some people inside of North Korea and I heard from them that the

0:04.7

recent famine is very similar to 1990's famine and as we all know, almost three million

0:10.7

people died of starvation during that time.

0:13.8

Hyun Sung Lee, otherwise known as Arthur Lee, is a former member of the North Korean ruling

0:19.1

party.

0:20.1

He and his family were fiercely loyal to the regime, but after being on the side of economic

0:24.4

reform and witnessing several brutal internal purges by Kim Jong-un, including that of

0:29.9

Kim's uncle, the family made the decision to defect.

0:33.1

Many people, especially top people, even general public in Pyongyang City, don't know what's

0:38.6

happening outside of Pyongyang.

0:40.6

Because of the isolation of the information, the regime strictly controlled the information

0:45.4

distribution.

0:46.6

We discuss North Korea's current food crisis.

0:49.2

The regime's nuclear weapons program, the value of free information and what can be done

0:54.0

to bring about change.

0:55.2

The second regime keeps saying that once we have nuclear weapons, we'll leave better

0:59.8

life and we'll be strong country in terms of economy and military side.

1:05.6

Now they have nuclear weapons and then people are still suffering from the starvation.

1:11.4

This is American Thought Leaders and I'm Yanya Kellek.

1:14.8

Arthur Lee, such a pleasure to have you on American Thought Leaders.

1:20.7

Thank for having me.

1:22.5

Arthur, you are, of course, a defector from North Korea.

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