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I'm Dr. Vince Houghton, the Museum's historian and curator.

Every week, the museum brings you interesting conversations

with authors, scholars, and practitioners who live in the world of global espionage.

Join us as we take a closer look at the secret world of intelligence. We're joined today by Malcolm Nance, who we've had here before for SpyCast, twice I believe in the past, but we like him so much that we asked him back.

And there's also the fact that a lot has happened in the world since he was here last,

things that he's uniquely suited to talk about.

So Malcolm has a massive resume, so I'll just hit some of the highlights

so we can flesh out the details during our conversation.

He was a career counterterrorism and intelligence officer for the US government special operations,

homeland security, and intelligence agencies, with over 33 years of experience in combating

radical extremism. An honorably retired US Navy Arabic-speaking

intelligence collections operator, field interrogator, survival evasion,

resistance, and escape specialists, and founder of the Advanced Terrorism Abduction in Hostid Survival School,

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