Deep Dive with Jennifer Wallace on Mattering in a Modern World

Kelly Corrigan Wonders

Kelly Corrigan Show

Society & Culture

4.8 • 3.2K Ratings

🗓️ 1 April 2025

⏱️ 54 minutes

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In large and small ways, mattering is essential. Self esteem depends on our ability to contribute to the lives around us. You may know Jennifer B. Wallace from her stints on morning television or her journalism in the Wall Street Journal and The Washington Post. She and Kelly discuss her first book: Never Enough: When Achievement Culture Becomes Toxic—And What We Can Do About It. (Previously aired) Please note: In this episode, Kelly and Jennifer discuss the high cost of having a child see a private neuropsychologist for an evaluation. However, every parent/guardian is legally entitled to refer their child to Special Education. Schools typically have a procedure in place. For example: the parent(s) might need to meet with the principal and psychologist to discuss building level interventions. If the parent decides to go through with the referral, the school has 45 school days to complete an evaluation and determine eligibility - if the child has a disability that adversely impacts their learning the child is classified and an IEP is created. Free Appropriate Public Education (FAPE) guarantees access to all. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Welcome to Kelly Corrigan Wonders.
0:08.3	I'm Kelly Corrigan, and today I am wondering about what we can do for our kids to help them hold on to bigger and better values in a culture that is toxicly attached to achievement.
0:23.3	So I was at this meeting a year ago at UC Berkeley, and I met so many fascinating, hardworking
0:30.3	people who came together to talk about intellectual humility, everything from the research
0:36.9	being currently done about the benefits of intellectual humility, everything from the research being currently done about the benefits
0:39.4	of intellectual humility, and the people who were popularizing the information and sharing the
0:46.1	science. One of the guests at that retreat was Jennifer Wallace, and I kind of fell in love
0:52.5	at first sight. And we had such a good time talking to each other.
0:56.1	It was an instant connection. And we said, let's go for a walk with the next time I'm in New York.
1:01.4	And sure enough, we did it. Well, 10 walks later, we have covered the city and we have covered
1:08.3	in depth this very cool and important concept that Jenny's come up with
1:12.7	called mattering and how mattering affects people's self-esteem and their ability to weather a world
1:20.8	that is sending toxic messages about achievement.
1:25.0	Jenny is a longtime journalist.
1:26.8	She began her career at 60 Minutes on CBS.
1:29.8	She's a frequent contributor to the Wall Street Journal and the Washington Post.
1:33.9	She's often on national television talking about her work.
1:36.7	And today we're here to talk about her new book, Never Enough,
1:39.8	when achievement culture becomes toxic and what we can do about it.
1:47.7	Welcome to your first podcast, Jenny Wallace.
1:50.2	Thank you, Kelly.
1:51.2	Okay, so I wondered what got you going in this direction of obsessively tracking down the sources of anxiety in the current generation,
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