Yeah, I was thinking I should write like fanfiction about like Hermione starting a wizarding

innocence project and ever being a dick to her the way they were about her house elf liberation project.

Welcome to You're Wrong About the True Crime Podcast that tries to focus on the true part

more than the crime part.

Oh, how's that? I would say that we're a true crime podcast focused on the impossibility of

ever knowing the truth about anything. And then that determines how we look at the crime part.

But we each have our own approach to this. Well, I was trying to say something that sounded

pithy and cute, but it didn't have to be accurate. I think you're taking the opposite approach.

Oh no. Well, this episode is all about that. So, strap in.

I'm Michael Hobbs. I'm a reporter for The Having a Post. I'm Sarah Marshall. I'm working on a

book about the satanic panic. And you can support the show on Patreon and on PayPal or you can buy

a cute t-shirt or you can not do any of those things and donate to other stuff. We still love you.

Yes. And today we're talking about Nancy Grace. I'm nervous. Yeah.

Okay. First of all, I don't want to be wrong about Nancy Grace. I think

if she Grace has done harm to the country and I'm not ready to give that up. And I'm afraid that

you're going to make me feel complicated about her. I don't know. That's not really my goal here

to try and facilitate empathy for Nancy Grace. And I feel like my approach to whatever subject we

have is dictated by like the kind of run they've had to this point. And like Nancy Grace has been

in charge of her own narrative in a way that very few women are because she has been on TV for

hours every week. Yeah. For years she has helped define what her crime media is in this country.

And her view of things has found a lot of purchase in American media. She has not been unheard or

unlessened to in her. She has been able to make her point of view extremely clear. And so it is

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