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Decoder Ring: If You Give a Mouse a Cookie… Will He Want a Welfare Check?

Slow Burn

Slate Podcasts

News, Society & Culture, History, Documentary, Politics

4.625.1K Ratings

🗓️ 11 September 2024

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Summary

Adults have a long history of trying to find morals and lessons in children’s literature. But what happens when a seemingly innocent book about a boy and a hungry mouse becomes fodder for the culture wars? Over the last decade, Laura Joffe Numeroff’s If You Give a Mouse a Cookie has been adopted by some on the right as a cautionary tale about government welfare. In this episode, we explore the origins of If You Give a Mouse a Cookie, the history of adults extracting unintended meaning from children’s books, and try to figure out how this particular kid’s book became a Republican battle cry. This episode was written by Cheyna Roth. It was edited by Katie Shepherd and Evan Chung. It was produced by Sofie Kodner. Decoder Ring is produced by Willa Paskin, Evan Chung, Katie Shepherd and Max Freedman. Derek John is Executive Producer. Merritt Jacob is Senior Technical Director. In this episode, you’ll hear from author Laura Numeroff, book critic Bruce Handy, economist Rebecca Christie and former journalist Max Ehrenfreund. If you have any cultural mysteries you want us to decode, email us at [email protected] If you haven’t please yet, subscribe and rate our feed in Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. And even better, tell your friends. If you’re a fan of the show, we’d love for you to sign up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get to listen to Decoder Ring and every other Slate podcast without any ads. You also get unlimited access to Slate’s website. Member support is crucial to our work. So please go to slate.com/decoderplus to join Slate Plus today. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hi, it's Willa. For those of you who have been listening to Decodering here in the

0:04.1

Slow Burn Feed for the last few months, I've got something special for you

0:07.6

before our newest episode. A little preview of Season 10 of Sloburn.

0:13.4

The new season looks at the moment in the early 2000s when a cultural and political force

0:17.7

unlike any other shakily got to its feet and then started shaking the world around it.

0:22.9

I'm talking about Fox News and it's far from inevitable,

0:25.7

but ultimately inexorable rise.

0:28.0

The trailer for the new season just dropped,

0:29.6

you should please go listen to it.

0:31.0

It is very captivating.

0:32.6

And I'm here with Sloburn's editorial director

0:34.9

and the host of the new season, Josh Levine,

0:37.9

to talk about it.

0:39.1

Hi Josh.

0:40.1

Hello.

0:41.0

So tell me about this new season. This new season is about a television network that I think most of us have strong opinions about.

0:51.1

It is, I think one of the few things in American life that has

0:56.7

undeniably changed the way that we live, the way that we think, the way that our

1:02.0

country operates in the last 30 years and like

1:04.9

didn't exist 30 years ago and so it's something that I had lots of thoughts

1:11.2

about but in kind of classic sloburn fashion didn't truly

1:15.6

understand where it came from what it was in the early days and whether the form that it's in now was inevitable.

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