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Decoder Ring | Cozy Autumn Mysteries

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🗓️ 27 November 2025

⏱️ 51 minutes

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Summary

While the What Next team works their way from preparing food to sleeping it off, enjoy this episode on fall’s flavorful favorites from our friends at Decoder Ring. We’ll be back to regular programming on Sunday.   Autumn may have more cozy signifiers than any other season—though we all have our own favorites. Maybe for you it’s sweater weather, football games, spooky season, apple picking, leaf peeping, or mainlining candy corn. Whatever it is, in today’s episode we’re looking closely at three of these autumnal staples. First, we get to the bottom of a recurring complaint about the taste of the pumpkin spice latte. Then we gaze deep inside the enigma hiding inside colorful fall leaves. Finally we ask some hard-hitting questions about the seasonal availability of an elusive cookie. Snuggle up and enjoy! In this episode, you’ll hear from author and podcaster Don Martin who has a new audiobook out about loneliness called Where Did Everybody Go?. We also speak with Simcha Lev-Yadun, professor of botany and archeology; Susanne Renner, botanist and honorary professor of biology at Washington University in St. Louis; and Prospect Park Alliance arborist Malcolm Gore. And you’ll also hear from Lauren Tarr, who runs the blog Midlife Moxie and Muscle, and her mother Grace Dewey, along with Caroline Suppiger, brand manager at Mondelēz. We’d also like to thank Brian Gallagher, Tom Arnold, Sylvie Russo, and Laura Robinson. This episode was produced by Katie Shepherd. Decoder Ring is also produced by Willa Paskin, Max Freedman, and Evan Chung, our supervising producer. Merritt Jacob is Senior Technical Director. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hey everyone, it's Mary. Today is Turkey Day, and the What Next Crew is taking a little break to do all the things you do on this day, like see your family, eat a giant bird, you know the drill.

0:12.7

But in honor of the holiday, we are leaving you with something a little sweet. Some might even say pumpkin spiced.

0:18.6

Our friends over the Great Dakota Ring podcast just cooked up a batch

0:22.2

of the biggest fall mysteries and is serving them hot. For instance, who invented the pumpkin

0:27.3

spice latte? Why do leaves turn red? And how come Malamars are only available once a year? This is

0:33.8

one I'm really curious about. For the answers, I turn you over to host Willa Paskin.

0:38.7

Happy Thanksgiving, y'all.

0:47.0

We tend to think of seasonal traditions as old, established.

0:51.5

They're off-repeated and so presumably something we've done before. And yet, all

0:56.9

traditions have to start somewhere. Santa Claus was not always a fat, rosy-cheeked man with a

1:02.8

white beard and a red suit until he showed up in a Coca-Cola ad in the early 1930s. The same

1:08.3

decade, kids started trick-or-treating. Old Langxin didn't become the New Year's

1:12.8

song until Guy Lombardo's band played it on the radio in 1929. And Mariah Carey's All I Want for

1:18.8

Christmas couldn't top the charts every December until it was actually released in 1994.

1:24.5

And one of the fall seasons, the most sippable autumnal traditions did not become established until 2003.

1:33.0

Could you have ever imagined the cultural shift that happened when Starbucks debuted the pumpkin spice latte?

1:40.6

Like just the obsession. Wow.

1:43.8

Don Martin is a writer and podcaster was thought a lot

1:47.1

about the Starbucks pumpkin spice line since he started ordering Frapuccino's in college.

1:53.1

Back then, I was all about, like, give me a big, frothy pumpkin spice flavored, basically

1:59.0

milkshake that, like, somebody had whispered the word coffee next to.

2:03.0

I think I have a photo with me with some terrible hair of like French, of like French kissing

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