All right, a substantive civil debate.

Despite months of rather vicious and nasty attacks between Senator Vance and Governor Wall's, they tonight were largely kind and agreeable

with each other. They often talked about finding common grounds. They obviously held their toughest criticisms for the folks at the top of the ticket.

Vance clearly, I think it needs to be said clearly, the more experienced debater, the slicker speaker.

Waltz's strongest moment perhaps came at the end there talking about democracy.

That was also I would think Vance's weakest moment all night

when he claimed that Donald Trump handed overpower peacefully, obviously not

accurate. But generally Dana and Abbey, my overall impression is that both men came to

seem likable and I think it's it's quite possible that both men achieve that task.

Yeah, I mean, I think this was kind of the rehab debate,

rehab in terms of image.

Certainly that was the case of J.D. Vance,

that was his goal of trying to rehab his image and more

importantly the image of the guy at the top of the ticket but I'm not sure at

the end of Barry the day it's really going to matter.

I just want to say right before you came on.

We did see something that kind of speaks to what I'm saying.

The candidates chatting, their wives came up chatting. That was not

something we saw anything close to in the president. I think we shouldn't lose

track. I think even in the civility of the fact that J.D. Vance came to

this debate to land a bunch of punches and he did. He landed a lot of punches in

between all the niceties and all of that and the thing that

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