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Death, Sex & Money | When Your Famous Dad Can Charm Anyone But Can't Pay the Bills

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🗓️ 2 December 2025

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Summary

Sarah Amos says the best way to describe her childhood is as a “nepo-baby fever dream.” She grew up in a pink mansion in Hawaii where celebrities often dropped by, and the fridge was always stocked with cookie dough made from her father’s famous recipe. Wally Amos founded Famous Amos cookies in 1975, but by the time Sarah was in middle school, he had sold the company and their house was in foreclosure. As Sarah grew up, her father never stopped chasing the success he’d once had with Famous Amos, a pursuit that pushed them apart. Listen to Sarah’s new podcast about her father from Vanity Fair: Tough Cookie: The Wally “Famous” Amos Story Death, Sex & Money is now produced by Slate! To support us and our colleagues, please sign up for our membership program, Slate Plus! Members get ad-free podcasts, bonus content on lots of Slate shows, and full access to all the articles on Slate.com. Sign up today at slate.com/dsmplus. And if you’re new to the show, welcome. We’re so glad you’re here. Find us and follow us on Instagram and you can find Anna’s newsletter at annasale.substack.com. Our new email address, where you can reach us with voice memos, pep talks, questions, critiques, is [email protected]. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Have you ever had a famous Amos cookie?

0:03.0

That's sort of a ridiculous question.

0:05.0

Of course you have, at least if you're the sort of person who has occasionally enjoyed delicious snacks that come in the cracker and cookie aisle in the grocery store.

0:14.0

I remember these little tan bags from the most lucky kids at school, they had those little chocolate chip cookies that are small

0:22.3

and crunchy in their lunch boxes. But if you are under a certain age, you might not realize

0:29.3

that Famous Amos is actually a real person, a real person named Wally Amos. Here's some facts about

0:36.6

Wally. He was born in Florida in the 1930s.

0:39.3

He was black.

0:41.3

Before becoming a cookie entrepreneur,

0:43.3

he was a talent agent at William Morris,

0:45.3

a phase of his career when he's credited with

0:48.3

discovering Simon and Garfunkel.

0:51.3

And that's when he met Marvin Gay,

0:52.3

who was one of the first people to fund his cookie business,

0:55.6

which started in 1975. He made it big, but then ultimately lost that business and most of his

1:03.2

fortune after a series of bad deals. Wally Amos also had children, four of them, from different

1:09.7

marriages, three sons and one daughter.

1:13.0

Sarah Amos, the youngest child, works in media in New York City, where her famous father became a sort of party trick.

1:20.0

A fun fact she'd reveal with the punchline, and no, there's no cookie money.

1:24.7

Her parents split up when she was an adult, and she was not exactly estranged

1:29.2

from her father, but wasn't close to him either. They were polite, but Sarah kept her guard up.

1:35.7

And that worked for her, she thought, until he died last year. And Sarah was left to figure out

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