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🗓️ 22 July 2025
⏱️ 37 minutes
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0:00.0 | How do you feel about revenge? Do you ever crave it? When my colleagues, it's late, |
0:06.7 | announced a big series of essays in reporting called Revenge Week, I thought, eh, that's not really my thing. |
0:14.1 | Revenge seems a little, I don't know, unhelpful and unprocessed. But then I talked to my colleague Isabel Khan about her revenge fantasy, |
0:25.8 | which she started developing after she was seriously wronged by someone. She told me what |
0:31.4 | pleasure it gave her and how it soothed her feelings of helplessness. What was so exciting about it was hallucinating that I have power and I have control and that I could exact a plan with intelligence and cunning and forethought, and that I could be 10 steps ahead of somebody. |
0:56.5 | I talked to Isabel in a Slate Plus conversation this week about when she'd find herself |
1:02.5 | adding details to this revenge fantasy and also what she learned from science about how |
1:07.7 | revenge shows up in our brain and how it's different than forgiveness. |
1:12.4 | Isabel even prompted me to start free associating about my own revenge fantasies. |
1:17.6 | Here's a little preview. Somehow, I end up talking about watching someone getting buried alive |
1:22.2 | while I stand by smoking a cigarette. Who knew that was in there? You can hear our conversation if you are a |
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1:40.9 | DSM plus. And remember, when you sign up for Slate Plus, you not only get these special extra |
1:46.6 | drops we make for Slate Plus members, you also get access to add free listening to death, |
1:51.6 | sex, and money, and all of Slate's podcast. Now, on to this episode, it's wedding season. |
1:59.0 | And though I, in my mid-40s, am in a slower wedding pace than when I was attending my peers, my sisters, and my own weddings, it has been a wedding-y few weeks for me. |
2:11.3 | Like, I recently went to a beautiful outdoor ceremony. It was a second wedding for both the bride and the groom, that was just full of lovely reflections about finding the faith to try again. |
2:23.3 | And then I whipped through the novel The Wedding People, which revolves around a plot of a suicidally depressed, recently divorced professor who shows up at a hotel that is otherwise totally reserved |
2:36.8 | by a wedding party. She's horrified at first, and then bit by bit, she gets pulled into all the |
2:44.4 | unspoken relationship dynamics between family generations and old friends that play out at a wedding. |
2:51.6 | Now, in that book, the wedding is a lavish affair. |
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