Hey everyone, it's Anna.

And yesterday's new episode, I checked in with musician Jason Isbell about being in recovery

during this time of global pandemic and about how it's affecting him and his fellow musicians

financially.

Today, we wanted to share with you the very first conversation that I ever had with

Jason, along with his wife Amanda Shires, who's also a musician.

I talked with them way back in 2014.

For this show, I had even officially launched.

And it's a conversation that I often think back on fondly.

I hope you enjoy it.

I had to go through a series of trials, Herculean trials, before she would actually say that

we were, you know, that I was her boyfriend.

It's when, like, we were playing the field, it was just like, she just didn't know she

could trust me.

It's hard to trust somebody who's out crowds and every night, you know, even though he

left awesome voice mails.

This is...

...Sex and money.

My relationship with death remains the same, strongly against it.

It's the show from WNYC about the things we think about a lot...

Do you think the sexual revolution has gone too far?

And need to talk about more.

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