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Death, Sex & Money - A Sociopath's Guide to Death, Sex, and Money

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3.8546 Ratings

🗓️ 16 April 2024

⏱️ 44 minutes

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Summary

Patric Gagne says being a sociopath is like having an emotional learning disability. In this episode, she talks about the good and the bad of having limited access to shame and guilt, how she overcame violent compulsions, and becoming a wife and mother. 

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0:00.0

First, an acknowledgement of a milestone.

0:04.5

This episode marks our return to regularly producing totally new death, sex, and money episodes from our new home at Slate.

0:12.8

We celebrated our revival with a live show that we shared with you early last month,

0:18.0

and then we've been revisiting some of our favorite episodes to remind

0:21.9

you why we love making this show. And now we are back, baby. Now, one thing I want to note

0:29.7

during this transition, I've been asked by a lot of you how the show is going to change

0:34.3

at our new home at Slate. The biggest change you'll notice, we're now dropping episodes on Tuesdays, no longer on

0:41.4

Wednesdays.

0:42.7

But otherwise, as we relaunch at Slate, we're going to keep doing what we do, which is to

0:48.4

say bring you interviews from all sorts of people, famous and not famous, about the parts

0:54.1

of life that can make us feel

0:55.8

bewildered, alone, and just generally not talked about openly enough. And our show, we try to be

1:03.7

precise about our differences without dismissing them. There are some things, though, that we all

1:10.1

share. Experts say we're born with a few

1:13.9

primary emotions, joy, fear, sadness, disgust, and anger. That's it. Secondary emotions like guilt,

1:23.7

shame, pride, and empathy, those come from interacting with others, what we're taught, and how

1:30.5

sensitive we are to external feedback. But this new episode today, it got me thinking about

1:36.5

how off my assumptions can be about people's emotional responses. Patrick Gagney was

1:43.5

diagnosed as a sociopath in her early 20s. She describes

1:47.7

the experience as having an emotional learning disability. And through our conversation, I thought

1:53.4

about my relationship to shame, about how a life without shame could feel beautifully liberating,

2:00.7

but also how shame and guilt can be... how a life without shame could feel beautifully liberating,

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