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Deal them back in? What we heard in Iran

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The Economist

News & Politics, News

4.45K Ratings

🗓️ 1 December 2025

⏱️ 26 minutes

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Summary

Our correspondents get a feel for today’s Tehran: no morality police but still much fear of speaking out. And the foreign minister indicates a desire to return to nuclear dealmaking. Who has bought into whom in AI makes the whole industry look pretty circular; we ask what that means for competition. And the first European country to scrap letter delivery.


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0:00.0

The Economist. Hello and welcome to the intelligence from The Economist. I'm your host, Jason Palmer. Every weekday, we provide a fresh perspective on the events shaping your world.

0:30.6

It's getting harder to keep track of all the tie-ups between AI model makers and chip makers and old-school blue-chip tech firms. We pick through the shifting network and ask how it's

0:36.5

all likely to shake out.

0:40.1

And in other news about an unstoppable future, those who send holiday cards should start thinking about going digital.

0:48.0

There'll soon be at least one place where the paper kind just won't get delivered.

1:06.0

Thank you. where the paper kind just won't get delivered. First up, though. We talk a lot on the show about what's happening to Iran, about the now long-defunct JCPOA nuclear deal,

1:17.7

how in June American forces tried to destroy its nuclear sites with airstrikes, how its proxies

1:24.2

in the region, the Houthis, Hamas, Hezbollah have been weakened in recent years.

1:29.3

But really only rarely do we talk about what's happening in Iran.

1:33.6

The last best look we got was in 2019, when my colleague Nicholas Pelham was detained,

1:40.0

imprisoned for a few days and then, oddly free to wander around for seven weeks after a daily interrogation.

1:47.6

Now he and our digital editor Adam Roberts have gone back and were given a rare on-the-record interview with Abbas Arachi, the foreign minister.

1:57.1

What they saw is that Iran has changed, is changing, and its leadership is sending signals to the West that should be heated.

2:08.6

It was different to the Tehran that I remembered six years ago,

2:12.6

when after the initials that are harrowing three days of detention,

2:15.6

I was largely left to my devices and able to run the streets.

2:19.3

This time we were much more controlled.

2:24.3

The busking seemed to be much more sparse, the traffic was more sparse.

2:27.3

I didn't have a sense of a city which was anything like as thriving and throbbing and vivacious

2:33.3

as the one that I remembered. It was more somber, it was a bit more dour,

2:38.0

and there was something of a kind of city that was struggling to retain appearances.

2:42.0

My reaction was quite different, and I'd never been there before.

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