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Every year, hundreds of thousands of people from all over the world flock to Las Vegas for the Consumer Electronics Show.

And they spend a week trying to sell each other on the weirdest gadgets you've ever seen in your entire life.

This week on the Vergecast, we're talking all about everything happening at CES, from the TVs to the AI gadgets, to the humanoid robots that everybody is hoping might someday do your laundry and wash your dishes.

All that and much more on the Vergecast wherever you get podcasts.

This is Recode Media with Peter Kafka. That is me.

Today I'm going to bring an interview I did a little bit ago with John Skipper, who used to run ESPN, now runs DeZone, even though I'm trying to get him to change the name. It's a subscription sports streaming service. John's in a place right now where he can talk fairly freely about what he's trying to do, the economics of sports media. Talks a little bit about his time at ESPN. Not that much, a little bit. But he's always an interesting person to talk to,

and you can hear that conversation right now.

You don't normally say this, but you had less hair the last time you were here.

I know a lot of people thought I was bald,

because I shaved my head for several years, and I decided to let it grow.

Now we've got the important stuff out of the way.

Welcome.

Thank you.

D-A-Z-N, Dazone.

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