Welcome to the Times of Israel's Friday Focus. I'm your host, Deputy Editor Amanda Borschelle

Dan here with author, philosopher, public intellectual, Micha Goodman, and my friend. Thank you so much

for joining me today. Hi, Amanda. I'm glad to be here. It is such a pleasure. And what we're going

to discuss today is something that is a bit of an obsession of mine,

actually. And here and there, we're neighbors too. On the paths, I've discussed this with you

off mic. But what I want to nail down today is 20 years to the disengagement. So I want to

zoom out. I want to take us back to those times.

I want to remember the pain and anguish of those times

and a bit of joy here and there as well from some of the sides.

And then through that, I want to go through and talk about how we got to where we are today.

So we're going to have a bit of a journey today, right,

Mecha? Yeah. Yeah. So this engagement was an idea, a powerful idea, by Aririk Sharon and his staff.

They called it Forumachava. It was a form of a few people that used to get together every Friday

in the farm of Aririk Sharon in the south. And they cook this idea.

Now, this idea has its own inner logic, the idea of a unilateral withdrawal of Israel from a certain territory and see what happens.

And the biography is that this idea represents the crisis of political ideas regarding

the Israeli-Palestan conflict in 2003, 2004, 2005.

And this was the crisis. There were two paradigms competing after the Six-Day War.

One paradigm was the paradigm of the right that by settling the land that was conquering the Six Day War, by building modern Jewish communities

on ancient biblical land, you're connecting our present to our past that will revitalize the Jewish people.

Now, this was an idea that as few versions, as a secular version, that it connects us to our memory, to our story, to, it will

increase the level of sense of belonging of Israelis, the Jewish people. There was a secular

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