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Yes, it was a subject matter that wasn't really explored back in the day when we were kids. I mean, you literally were considered a nut if you were talking about abductions, UFOs or psychic phenomena.

And this is something that I had a problem with and still to this day, not so much now,

with the system that we serve. And so it's lovely when you connect with those spirits,

those souls, spirits rather, who understand you on a deeper level.

And that has been a very hard journey for me.

I mean, my grandmother was psychic.

The family are quite open and have been accepting of that.

Most of the family, there are some that I won't mention that were not.

But this led me into the big question, because I had an experience when we lived in South Africa,

when I nearly drowned and I had what they would consider, I suppose, an NDE.

But I didn't see a light and go down a tunnel. I was just there.

And the process itself brought about a feeling of total awareness.

There was no restrictions. There was this feeling of eternity. I could

almost taste it. And sometimes, as a psychic medium, spending many long years developing that

through the medium I had seen and then he passed on to other mediums to further develop in that

department, the question was always there because the system we served and then we passed on to other mediums to further develop in that department.

The question was always there because the system we serve tells you that you live and then you die.

And there is no such thing as life after death.

And I'm like, hang on just a minute.

Myself, Chris, your good self, many other people understand that there has to be more. And it's not that

we are trying to convince ourselves of that fact. It's just that you're screaming and saying to

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