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David Chad and Andrew Badger, co-authors at the Great Heist, China's epic campaign to steal America's secrets,

and I can let out another secret, and that's you'll be on one nation Sunday night at 10 o'clock. You're right if I give that secret out? Please give that out. All right. So, David, let's start with you. Can we just go through, first off, the background in China? When did you first become aware of what they were capable of? Look, having worked this target during the 1990s, it was pretty clear to me that China was on the ascendancy, especially after 1986, when Deng Xiaoping laid out this plan in order to bring

together the sort of controlled capitalism around the whole issue of the socialist

authoritarian government of the Chinese Communist Party. But it really took off, and it was very

personal in 2015, when about 22 million files from our security backgrounds were stolen out of the Office of Personnel

and Management in May of 2015.

Subsequently, two years later, Equifax, one of the three largest credit bureaus in the United

States, had all their data stolen on 145 million people.

And then you have a plethora of cyber attacks on our health care system

in terms of privacy data. And that it was a wake-up call under Made in China,

2025, which was launched by Xi Jinping in 2015. And that's really when I...

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