I don't watch cup racing at all.

Really?

Do you think that's because you're just not interested to see it or because you don't want to watch it?

I think very few of us have the opportunity to go out the way we want to.

It's just a self-preservation, I guess, really.

If you're a drug addict and you want to get clean, you don't hang around with people to do drugs.

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Hey everybody, it's Dale Jr. back again for another episode of the Dale Jr. download.

David Ruderman is the guest today. A lot of y'all have asked for David to come on the show.

We haven't heard from

him in a while. Don't really know a lot about what he's been doing since. He retired from Cup.

A lot to learn today. This should be a good one. Let's get started. Bring David into the room.

All right, David Ruderman on the Dale Jr. Download.

Man, it has been a while.

I hadn't seen you in quite a few years.

It's been a long time for sure.

Yeah, it has.

We're going to talk about your career, your childhood, growing up in a racing family.

And I've been looking forward to this.

I hadn't heard from you in a long time.

But one of the things that I've always kind of been curious about is the last name,

Routemann is synonymous with motorsports.

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