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🗓️ 21 November 2019
⏱️ 54 minutes
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The establishment of a sovereign Jewish state just three years after the Holocaust is both a miracle and the achievement of some remarkable women and men. Now that the founding generation has passed on, it falls to those living today to sustain that achievement. But how? In thinking about the careers of prominent Israeli leaders, what lessons, particularly in courage, can we, and today's leaders, learn from them?
To ponder this question, Tikvah’s Jonathan Silver is joined by David Makovsky, a fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, a former editor of the Jerusalem Post, and the co-author with Dennis Ross of Be Strong and of Good Courage. Through the biographies of four Israeli leaders, Makovsky and Ross invite us to think about the purposes of Zionism and the qualities of judgment and character needed to act for the sake of Israel’s strategic interests.
In this conversation, Makovsky and Silver discuss—and debate—the decisions and the legacy of two of these remarkable figures: Ben-Gurion and Menachem Begin.
Musical selections in this podcast are drawn from the Quintet for Clarinet and Strings, op. 31a, composed by Paul Ben-Haim and performed by the ARC Ensemble, as well as the original Broadway cast recording of Fiddler on the Roof and "Above the Ocean" by Evan MacDonald.
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0:00.0 | The reestablishment of a sovereign Jewish state in the same decade as the Shoah is a miracle. |
0:13.3 | And it's also the achievement of some remarkable women and men, leaders who, if we study the history of their decisions, can teach us how to sustain |
0:22.0 | what they founded. |
0:23.8 | Welcome to the Tikva podcast. |
0:25.6 | I'm your host, Jonathan Silver. |
0:27.3 | This week we look at two of Israel's founders, David Ben-Gurion and Manacham Began, and |
0:32.4 | we try to think about their careers and the lessons of political courage we can learn from |
0:36.9 | them. |
0:39.3 | My guest, the Ziegler Distinguished Fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, and former editor of the |
0:44.0 | Jerusalem Post, David Mnikovsky is the co-author of a new book, Be Strong and of Good Courage, |
0:49.7 | which offers short biographies of Israeli leaders as a way to think about the purposes of Zionism |
0:55.4 | and the qualities of judgment and character needed to act for the sake of Israel's long-term strategic interests, |
1:02.3 | in the largest sense, even while incurring short-term political costs. |
1:08.1 | As you'll see in our conversation, David and his co-author Ambassador Dennis Ross |
1:12.6 | have a particular political purpose in mind. They argue in the book that Israel is at a political |
1:18.7 | inflection point right now. The strategic decision Israel faces is not about Iran or Hezbollah. |
1:26.0 | The authors, of course, recognize these immediate threats, |
1:29.2 | and they believe that Israel must be strong enough to protect itself from them. |
1:33.3 | But the big strategic problem that Israel right now must confront |
1:37.2 | is the shifting demography of Jews and Arabs |
1:40.1 | and the need to preserve the possibility for a two-state solution, |
1:43.4 | which, in their view, is giving way to a one-state consensus by virtue of Israel's inaction. |
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