Today in the eater Upsell's studio we are talking with David Leibovitz, former pastry chef at

Shephenise, blogging God and author of like more cookbooks than I can count. He is one of the most

O.G. Food bloggers. Eater wouldn't exist maybe without...

Basically, the entire internet would not exist without him. He's the Tim Berners-Lee of food writing.

That's accurate.

That's accurate.

That was the best intro we've ever done. What was it like the late 90s people were like black plates and square plates and like

like and they were awful and some hard I think a really good indicator of like I'm not at a restaurant where I want to stay for another minute is if they have black square plates.

But I think so many more places are now thinking about their plate wear and their

tabletop in a way that's like, okay, someone is going to take a picture of this.

How can I make sure that we know it's here like it does on Chenez with this blue plate that you're talking about? of this the no med hotel that's this custom stoneware by some guy in New Jersey who like

throws all of this pottery for them and like it's beautiful and they were I

think the first people in New York to have it and now it's showing up everywhere, but so many people just think of it as the nomad plates.

I think of it as the nomad plates even when I see other people using that style of earth and wear, whatever.

But I gotta tell you one thing. using that's

I gotta tell you one thing that was a trend for many moons I feel like maybe for the

last five years but doesn't quite mesh with this new thing of, you know, plates being the identifying quality of a restaurant on Instagram, is that

slate thing that everybody started using like three years ago instead of plate or a board.

Like the cheese board as plate for like non cheese items.

Right, like there's just a burger on it or here's like three tacos or here's a dab of something

and then like a little swirl of something and then there's a little bread.

There's literally no thing in a restaurant that I hate more than being served of food that you'd need the edge of a plate as like ballast for that's like served on a slate or

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