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David Ignatius on Space Wars, Skepticism, and His Father's Legacy

The Gist

Mike Pesca

News, Politics, Arts, Daily News

4.43.6K Ratings

🗓️ 15 November 2025

⏱️ 35 minutes

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Summary

Mike Pesca revisits his conversation with Washington Post columnist and novelist David Ignatius, recorded before the recent passing of Ignatius's father, former Navy Secretary Paul Ignatius. They discuss the future of warfare in space, why the U.S. Space Force deserves more credit than it gets, and how a century of Pentagon experience shaped a lifelong skepticism toward military overconfidence. Plus, a Spiel on a government shutdown that achieved very little beyond irritating everyone involved.

Produced by Corey Wara


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Transcript

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0:00.0

Hi, it's Mike. It's Saturday. It's the Saturday show. We usually do one from the week and one from the vault.

0:08.6

And this week I shared a story of cooking rice. You would think that a daily new show would talk a lot more about cooking rice.

0:16.7

But the uncooked to the cooked ratio is the centerpiece of a great spiel that I'm going to bring

0:22.9

to you in case you missed it. A listener did write in and said, I talked about FTEs, full-time

0:29.5

employees, but I think FTE in the context that I mentioned them might have been full-time

0:36.2

equivalent. So people, from what I understand, when people

0:40.5

work for a corporation, they like not being called employees. They like being called equivalence.

0:47.5

Or they like being seen as a fraction of a human being. And then when you refer to them,

0:54.0

you don't say, oh, you're a

0:55.3

full-time employee. You're the equivalent of an actual human being who we would value if he

1:01.3

were an employee and ate too much rice. So enough about that spiel this week, a very important

1:10.0

Washingtonian, a former secretary of the Navy died, and his name was

1:16.0

Paul Ignatius. Paul Ignatius has a son. Paul Ignatius was 104 when he died. And he has a son

1:23.8

who's sort of the dean of the foreign policy establishment press corps, David Ignatius.

1:30.1

And I think David was on the show twice, but the most recent time, I did assume that his

1:37.4

late father, because we're talking about a man who at the time was 100 or would have been 100 had

1:43.3

he been alive.

1:44.4

So I think I may have mentioned his late father, was not late, was still kicking around,

1:48.7

kicked around for another few years.

1:51.2

I enjoyed my conversation with David Ignatius.

1:54.1

This reminded me of it.

1:55.0

I only talked about Paul Ignatius a little bit, but it's a really interesting guy.

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