If you are not paying attention to the former president, you might be missing what the

Trump movement is becoming, how Trumpism is evolving or devolving.

So this is a challenge, an ongoing challenge for the news media, the reality-based news media,

how much and when and how to pay attention to Donald Trump, to his ongoing comments is

ongoing claims.

So what can we learn from his recent interviews and statements?

And is it time to start using the F word?

Those are some of the questions for this week's reliable sources podcast.

So let's cue the music.

I'm Brian Celter and this weekly podcast is our chance to go more in-depth talking with

media leaders and newsmakers about how the media world works, how the news is made, and

there continues to be this raging debate about how much and whether to be covering the

former president, given that it continues to promote crazy conspiracy theories, big

lies, et cetera, et cetera.

There's some arguments that he should just be ignored that the media should move on.

And yet I noticed last Sunday, one of the highest rated programs on cable news after

the space launch, of course, was Donald Trump calling into Maria Bartiromo on Fox News.

And Trump said some new comments in that interview.

He made some new claims that David from wrote about a new column for the Atlantic.

His column is titled, there's a word for what Trumpism is becoming.

So what is that word?

Well from is a staff writer for the Atlantic.

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