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The Bulwark Podcast

David Frum: A Dark Path

The Bulwark Podcast

The Bulwark

Society & Culture, News Commentary, News, Politics

4.611.6K Ratings

🗓️ 12 December 2023

⏱️ 46 minutes

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Summary

If Trump wins, the first crime of his second term will be committing perjury—when he swears to defend the Constitution. Plus, Republicans aren't really looking for a deal on the border: They're trying to rationalize abandoning Ukraine. David Frum joins Charlie Sykes.

show notes:

https://www.theatlantic.com/press-releases/archive/2023/12/atlantics-janfeb-issue-next-trump-presidency/676227/

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Tees and sees apply, Samsung.com pricing shown. Welcome to the Bulwork podcast. I'm Charlie Sykes. It is December 12th,

0:41.8

2003 and the title of my newsletter is Everything Everywhere

0:46.2

All At Once. It does feel like all of the threads of our politics and the geopolitical situation are coming together this week over the next three days.

0:57.5

You have Littimer Zellinsky in Washington last-ditch effort to get aid for Ukraine.

1:02.0

Meanwhile, that's all tied up with secretive

1:05.2

border discussions that will determine whether or not we have any aid for Ukraine

1:10.0

or Israel or maybe even whether the government is able to stay open.

1:14.0

Meanwhile, House Republicans slouch towards a Biden impeachment,

1:19.4

even though they don't really have any evidence.

1:22.3

We continue to have the meltdown across higher education,

1:25.9

although the president of Harvard apparently is going to be keeping her job.

1:29.6

Well, to sort all of this out, we are joined by David Fromm, staff writer at the Atlantic

1:34.5

author of 10 books. Most recently, Trump Apocalypse and Trumpocracy. He also

1:39.7

wrote the lead piece in an extraordinary special issue of the Atlantic on the threat

1:46.0

that would be posed by a second Trump term.

1:49.2

David, welcome back on in these dark days. How are you? Happy New Year maybe? No, probably not.

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