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The Good Fight

David French on The Mess We’re In

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

News

4.6907 Ratings

🗓️ 9 October 2025

⏱️ 68 minutes

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Summary

Yascha Mounk and David French have a therapy session about politics. David French is a columnist for The New York Times. His most recent book is Divided We Fall: America’s Secession Threat and How to Restore Our Nation. In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and David French discuss how politics has changed since 2017, where the Democrats have gone wrong, and how Donald Trump’s second term is different to his first. If you have not yet signed up for our podcast, please do so now by following ⁠this link on your phone⁠. Email: [email protected] Podcast production by Jack Shields and Leonora Barclay. Connect with us! ⁠Spotify⁠ | ⁠Apple⁠ | ⁠Google⁠ X: ⁠@Yascha_Mounk⁠ & ⁠@JoinPersuasion⁠ YouTube: ⁠Yascha Mounk⁠, ⁠Persuasion Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.8

What you're watching, though, is MAGA essentially recreating a lot of the excesses of the radical left, except with much greater force and energy because it's being directed and driven from the White House in a very decisive way.

0:15.7

And with all of the instruments and levers of power that the federal government possesses.

0:19.7

So as strong as sort of the

0:22.1

Twitter mob could have been in 2018 or 2019, it's still going to be nothing compared to the full

0:29.3

weight and power of the federal government.

0:32.6

And now the good fight with Yasha Monk.

0:41.7

Thank you. Now the Good Fight with Yasha Monk. My guest today is a good friend and one of my favorite writers.

0:47.3

David French is an opinion columnist at the New York Times.

0:52.6

He is an evangelical Christian who is socially conservative, but also

0:58.1

deeply critical of the Trump administration. And this conversation, which we recorded in

1:05.1

person in Nashville, was really a kind of therapy session for both of us. It was our attempt to try and make sense what is going on in American politics today.

1:18.4

Going back to the natural experiment, which Francis Fukuyama posited in 2016 and 2017,

1:24.9

of trying to figure out whether, as the founders intended,

1:28.9

the institutions are going to be enough to contain a president who wants to undermine the checks and balances and the

1:34.5

rule of law in the United States.

1:35.7

We ask, to what extent are the institutions holding?

1:41.1

Is the Supreme Court doing Trump's bidding, or is it actually standing up to some of what

1:47.4

Trump wants? Are we on the way towards people being deeply afraid to express themselves because

1:54.9

of the administration's attacks on free speech? Or do we continue to have a very robust media

1:59.9

that is challenging the Trump

2:01.7

administration in all kinds of ways? We also talked about how and why Democrats in the left

2:11.0

are flailing, why they proved incapable of stopping Trump's re-election, and why they may end up making big mistakes that allow

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