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Notes from America with Kai Wright

David Dinkins vs. the NYPD

Notes from America with Kai Wright

WNYC Studios

News Commentary, Politics, History, News

4.41.5K Ratings

🗓️ 14 June 2021

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

How NYC’s first Black mayor tried to balance concerns about public safety with demands for a more accountable police force -- and the violent resistance he faced from the police union. Under the Dinkins administration, the crime rate declined, but his complex relationship with the New York Police Department - which grew in size under his tenure - often overshadows his legacy. As voting is underway for the 2021 mayoral race, our senior editor Christopher Werth tells the story of Dinkins’s attempt to balance crime fighting and racial justice, and of a police union reaction that looked a lot like the January 6th attack on the U.S. capital. Also, activist Erica Ford, who is the CEO and Founder of LIFE Camp, Inc., joins to talk about community-based solutions to public safety and expectations of our elected officials. What will it take for New Yorkers to feel safe? Companion listening for this episode: How NYPD ‘Kettled’ the Spirit of Reform (5/24/2021) New Yorkers reacted to George Floyd’s murder with mass protests demanding police accountability. NYPD met them with targeted violence and abuse. Why Cops Don’t Change (4/19/2021) A retired NYPD detective says the force’s stubborn, insular culture was built to last. And Elie Mystal explains a 1989 Supreme Court ruling that made killing “reasonable.” “The United States of Anxiety” airs live on Sunday evenings at 6pm ET. The podcast episodes are lightly edited from our live broadcasts. To catch all the action, tune into the show on Sunday nights via the stream on WNYC.org/anxiety or tell your smart speakers to play WNYC. We want to hear from you! Connect with us on Twitter @WNYC using the hashtag #USofAnxiety or email us at [email protected].

Transcript

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0:00.0

This is the United States of Anxiety, a show about the unfinished business of our history and its

0:06.8

grip on our future.

0:07.8

At Washington Square Park, a clash over a new curfew last night led to nearly two dozen arrests.

0:14.0

You know, the mayor is not the police commissioner.

0:16.4

I'm not a professional cop who knows how to handle crowd control.

0:22.3

It's ridiculous. You hire people who can do that.

0:25.0

I don't know. I think the cops are being a bit too oppressive.

0:27.0

I'm being honest.

0:28.0

I'm being honest. I don't know.

0:30.0

I haven't tried to go from nowhere in there, no subway, but all these slashes on the

0:35.4

crazy that I'm hearing. I think they definitely need to increase police, more police.

0:40.3

I understand that you have to strive, struggle, and survive, but not with a gun.

0:45.0

Do you ever worry about your own personal safety?

0:47.0

There's just not much one can do about that, and to live in constant fear is not to live.

0:56.0

Welcome to the show. I'm Kai Wright.

0:58.0

Last weekend, a 10-year-old boy, Justin Wallace, was killed, when a stray bullet shot through his home in

1:04.7

far Rockaway Queens. The details of who fired the gun and why are still emerging but

1:10.1

what seems clear is that it all stems back to an argument over a shared driveway,

1:15.8

over parking, presumably.

1:18.0

His child lost his life just days before his 11th birthday because tempers flared over something trivial and guns were involved.

1:26.1

Justin's death shook people and it has come to symbolize something in New York City right now

1:32.1

a palpable anxiety about our safety.

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