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David Davenport on How Public Policy Became War

Uncommon Knowledge

Hoover Institution

Politics, History, News:politics, Science, News

4.8 • 1.9K Ratings

🗓️ 24 June 2019

⏱️ 37 minutes

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Summary

Recorded: Recorded on May 15, 2019 David Davenport, Hoover fellow and coauthor of How Public Policy Became War, analyzes how presidents have too readily declared war (on terror, drugs, poverty, you name it) and called the nation into crisis, partly to tackle the problem and partly to increase their own power. Davenport explains how policy options have been left behind because the war metaphor reduces the constraints and expands the power of what a president can do. Davenport discusses how Franklin Roosevelt used the declaration of war to expand government and shift the balance of power in the United States in a new direction, away from Congress and the states and toward a strong executive branch. Davenport notes that Roosevelt exchanged the founders’ vision of deliberation and moderation in the federal government for war and action. Davenport explains how, through the course of time, Congress has lost its ability to deliberate, negotiate, compromise, and draft bills, which results in giving more power to the executive branch. Davenport says that members of Congress are sent to Washington to represent us, and they need to be statesmen rather than party loyalists and step up to their proper constitutional role. Davenport also discusses executive orders that permit the president to issue an order on his own without any congressional legislation. He talks about the number of executive orders that have been used by presidents throughout history and how they have impacted the nation. As Alexander Hamilton wrote in the Federalist Papers, the cool and deliberate sense of the community ought, in all governments, and actually will, in all free governments, ultimately prevail over the views of its rulers. Finally, Davenport says he believes that President Trump is on the right track when he takes measures to limit the administrative state.

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0:00.0

Welcome to Uncommon Knowledge.

0:08.0

I'm Peter Robinson.

0:11.1

For 15 years president of Pepperdine University, David Davenport is now a fellow at the

0:15.8

Hoover Institution, where he writes about international law, American politics, and the Constitution.

0:22.1

Dr. Davenport's newest book,

0:24.0

which he co-authored with the Ashbrook Center's Gordon Lloyd,

0:28.0

How Public Policy Became War.

0:31.0

David, welcome.

0:32.0

Thanks, Peter.

0:33.0

Great to be here.

0:34.0

Let me quote the book.

0:35.0

All right. We must better manage the war metaphor in public policy.

0:39.0

The future of our republic depends on our ability to do this. You're the first man I've encountered who said the

0:46.6

future of the republic depends on managing a metaphor. Explain what you mean.

0:51.3

Well I am an academic of course and the phrase I used to describe my work at Hoover is saving the republic one word at a time.

0:57.8

So we perhaps exaggerate the value of that.

1:01.5

We argue that metaphors do matter and metaphors in public policy end up not

1:07.9

only describing the political world but they end up prescribing what we should do about it.

1:14.0

And so our experience has been that presidents have too readily declared war and called the nation

1:19.9

into crisis, partly to increase their own power, partly to attack problems.

1:25.7

So in the metaphor, the way we talk about a problem limits the way we think about a problem.

1:33.0

Well, I think that's precisely right.

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