When you have an ideology that pretends to know exactly who the oppressors are and who

are the oppressed, then Jews who do on average better than the mean are going to be viewed

as oppressors.

For decades, David Bernstein has served in senior roles at major Jewish organizations,

but when he saw the effect that woke ideology was having on these institutions, he tackled

it head on, starting a new nonprofit demanding a return to classical liberalism.

I want there to be conservatives, as the social psychologist John Nathan Heitz says,

a bird needs a left wing and a right wing in order to fly.

We dive into his book, Woke Antisemitism, how a progressive ideology harms Jews, and

discuss Kanye West, Elon Musk, and the Soviet Jewish Refuse Nick, Nate and Shoransky.

When he hears Woke ideology in America and the West, it sounds the same to him as the

communist ideology that he grew up with, except that they've replaced class with race.

David Bernstein, such a pleasure to have you on American Thought Leaders.

Great to be with you.

So let's just start here, Kanye West or Yeh, he said some like shockingly, I mean horrifically

anti-Semitic things recently, and there was of course this huge outcry, but one of the

things I noticed is there was an outcry from some people on the left who to me struck

me as being very transparently quite anti-Semitic, and I'm trying to kind of make sense of all

this and give me your thoughts here, please.

Yeah, well, you know, the dynamics of American politics today being as polarized as they are,

people use anti-Semitism as a political football. We've even seen this in polling data that

right tends to blame the left for anti-Semitism, the left tends to blame the right for anti-Semitism,

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