From the historic campus of Hillsdale College in Hillsdale, Michigan, where the good, the true, and the beautiful are taught, nurtured, and honored, this is the Radio Free Hillsdale Hour, bringing the activity and education of the college to listeners across the country.

Generally speaking, in the West, if you go woke, you won't go broke.

Whereas if you go anti-woke, you'll get broken.

The lefties will put you out of business because they mobilize as consumers.

This is your host, Scott Bertram, and that's Dr. David Azarat, our first guest on today's program.

David is Assistant Professor and Research Fellow at Hillsdale College's Van Andal Graduate School of Government in Washington, D.C.

We talked at length about his recent piece at Real Clear Public Affairs titled

on the peculiar character of American racism. Dr. Azarat, thanks for joining us.

Nice to be back, Scott. You begin by saying that America is a racist country is the great

self-evident truth of the left and of the ruling class whose moral opinions are shaped by it.

What are the accusations here against America?

Well, the first thing that's, I think, important to realize is that the accusations are secondary

and change over time.

This is a creedal, confessional, dogmatic statement.

It's an axiom.

It's an irrefutable, unfalsifiable proposition for them.

It begins to be developed at a time when America is indeed racist.

I mean, I don't think anyone denies that in the 50s with Jim Crow and then the general prejudices that existed throughout the population even in the north,

America was to varying degrees in different

parts of the country, a racist country.

But what's interesting to notice is as the country has grown less and less racist in the traditional

sense of the term, as the laws have been changed, as the public, the opinion of the

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