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Darkode

Radiolab

WNYC Studios

Science, Natural Sciences, History, Society & Culture, Documentary

4.643.5K Ratings

🗓️ 14 January 2022

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

It would seem that hackers today can do just about anything they want - from turning on the cellphone in your pocket to holding your life's work hostage. Cyber criminals today have more sophisticated tools, have learned to work collaboratively around the world and have found innovative ways to remain deep undercover in the internet's shadows. This episode, we shine a light into those shadows to see the world from the perspectives of both cybercrime victims and perpetrators.

First we meet mother-daughter duo Alina and Inna Simone, who tell us about being held hostage by criminals who have burrowed into their lives from half a world away. Along the way we learn about the legally sticky spot that unwitting accomplices like Will Wheeler find themselves in.

Then reporter and author Joseph Menn tells us about the surprisingly lucrative professional hacker structure in places throughout the former Soviet Union. Finally, the co-creator of one of the most notorious online marketplaces to ever exist speaks to us and NPR cyber-crime expert Dina Temple-Raston about how a young suburban Boy Scout can turn into a world renowned black hat hacker.

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0:00.0

Wait, you're listening.

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I'm listening to Radio Lab.

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Radio Lab.

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From WNYC.

0:12.0

Hey, this is Radio Lab.

0:23.0

Last year, a cyber attack disrupted the colonial pipeline.

0:27.0

It was a big year for cyber crime.

0:31.0

According to the FBI, the amount of money taken by ransomware has gone up by more than

0:38.0

a thousand percent over the past five years.

0:41.0

And this has got us thinking about this episode we did on this new kind of crime way back

0:46.0

in its relatively quaint early days in 2015 called Dark Code.

0:53.0

Hey, I'm Chad Eppon-Rod.

0:54.0

I'm Robert Krohwitch.

0:55.0

This is Radio Lab and today.

0:57.0

Well, today we're going to tell you a story which we hope does not become your future, but it raises a simple question.

1:03.0

We all have computers.

1:04.0

We love computers.

1:05.0

We depend upon computers.

1:06.0

But what if the cost of using your computer becomes more than you're willing to pay?

1:11.0

Two stories today which suggest that we might be at the very beginning of a nightmare.

1:18.0

The first comes from a journalist Alina Simone and her mother, Ena.

1:22.0

I mean, do you want to start with my mom because it really happened to her?

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