This is the war on cars. I'm Doug Gordon.

Okay, so listeners of this podcast are no strangers to the idea that corporations play an enormous role in keeping our cities and our towns choked with cars.

Those corporations include auto manufacturers and fossil fuel companies, but they also include an array of industries from

highway builders to all of the ancillary businesses that benefit from getting as

many people locked into car dependency. This all makes it very difficult to change so much as a single parking space and the ways in which this corporate enforced status quo is maintained and what to do about it is the subject of a provocative

new book, it's called Dark PR, how corporate disinformation harms our health and the environment, and it's by Grant Ennis.

Grant welcome to the war on cars.

Thanks a lot done.

Great to be here with you.

You are a lecturer at Monash University in Melbourne, Australia and you talk a lot about

activism, organizing, corporate disinformation, and the role subsidies play in creating many of the global problems that we're going to talk about in this interview.

This is all stuff that is in your book. I found it very informative, very useful. I think there are things in here that will be old hat for War on Cars listeners.

There are things in here that will be brand new for War on Cars listeners.

And there are things that will give voice or words to ideas that might be floating around in their heads.

And I found it very helpful to have it all sort of laid out in the format in which you do it.

So obviously as part of your job, you talk about public health and activism.

What brought you to put it all down in this book?

I think I had a lot of experience early on my career where people were

individualizing environmental issues. That is mainly that people were

focusing on recycling and I was trying to get them to be politically active.

And honestly every time I tried to raise the issue of let's go like talk to government,

let's find ways to engage government on global warming or other kinds of environmental issues.

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