Dario Amodei, C.E.O. of Anthropic, on the Paradoxes of A.I. Safety and Netflix’s ‘Deep Fake Love’

Hard Fork

The New York Times

Technology

4.5 • 5.2K Ratings

🗓️ 21 July 2023

⏱️ 72 minutes

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Summary

Dario Amodei has been anxious about A.I. since before it was cool to be anxious about A.I. After a few years working at OpenAI, he decided to do something about that anxiety. The result was Claude: an A.I.-powered chatbot built by Anthropic, Mr. Amodei’s A.I. start-up. Today, Mr. Amodei joins Kevin and Casey to talk about A.I. anxiety and why it’s so difficult to build A.I. safely. Plus, we watched Netflix’s “Deep Fake Love.”

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0:00.0	Okay, so I just want to note that you haven't procured what I think is probably the most
0:06.3	hardcore fidget spinner ever to exist.
0:09.6	It looks like something like a prop from like a death metal show.
0:13.6	It's got like flames coming out of it.
0:16.3	It's got like this.
0:17.3	This is like not a normal fidget spinner.
0:18.8	Yeah, I would describe it as looking like a skeletal bird where it has these sort of
0:23.1	very sharp beak-like outcroppings and it does look if I if I hurled it with enough force
0:29.8	I could break your skin.
0:31.7	The message that it's sending at least to me here in the studio is not only I am extremely
0:36.7	anxious, but also I will kill you.
0:38.7	That's the sort of energy I try to bring.
0:41.0	You know, is a sort of very hostile, murderous energy.
0:44.3	And that's why we're killing it.
0:46.5	I'm Kevin Russo, tech columnist at The New York Times.
0:53.5	I'm Casey from Platformer and you're listening to Hard Fork.
0:56.7	This week on The Show, Anthropics CEO Dario Amade stops by to tell us what it's like
1:01.2	to run the most anxious company in AI.
1:04.2	And then we review Netflix's new deep fake reality dating show.
1:08.4	God help us all.
1:26.7	Casey, welcome back.
1:47.7	We are back from vacation.
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