This is the Friends of History Debating Society. I'm John Bachelor with Michael Jan, my dear

colleague of many years, who is in Belize comfortably in a rainstorm in Central America, and he and I are speaking with Anthony and Joshua Rubin of Mockraker.com who have been

through the roadarian Gap.

We leave them at the Ecuador to Panama. We leave them at the Ecuador to Colombia border where it's recommended that they not cross without permission.

They've got American passports. That is, the eagle flies anywhere it wants to in South America I understand.

And Anthony, you're crossing into Colombia.

You need a transportation from the Colombia border.

You're headed to the north of Columbia so how do you go?

How do the how do the migrants go from crossing into Columbia once they're in Columbia

whether they do it illicitly or through the border

control. What happens next?

They just take buses. It's really not a rocket science. They just, it's straight up, they cross in and it's just, uh, bus after bus. It's like a 50-hour bus ride from there to

Nacoqui, which is a stage where my brother's going to add something to that.

Sorry, yeah, actually, I was going to add something to the question you asked before which was how did the Chinese

like how did they know where they're going another thing in addition to just like all these

UN-funded organizations helping them along the way is literally

Tik-Tok is helping them. They'll go on this Chinese Tik-Tok

app called Dooleyin, that's what they call it. And it well actually we talked to

some Chinese people that said that that's how they found out about this whole thing.

But basically in China they'll basically see Tik-Tok videos which basically expose them to this whole thing and that's a big reason why a lot of

them find out about this route and how they're coming here. It's literally just

social media and Tik-Tock. All right Josh you've got buses. Are the buses all gathering together? Did they know that these

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