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Welcome to the trial update. I'm Caroline Cheatham.

And I'm Jack Hardy.

So as you know, we're bringing you these short trial update episodes.

Every time we think we've got something that's quite important to tell you,

they don't replace our usual episodes that we bring you every week from the courtroom.

But they're just sort of short extras where we think we've got something to say. And the reason we're bringing

you this one for Daniel Khalif today is because he's just finished being cross-examined by

the prosecutor, Mark Haywood, Casey, after three long days in the witness box. And we wanted to

bring you, I suppose, just a few standout moments. Jack, one of them, definitely, was that he said he was trying to be like James Bond,

and the other was that he was forced to deny that the Iranians had any involvement at all in his prison escape.

Yeah, you're quite right, Caroline. It has been a long few days for Daniel Khalif,

and he's covered a huge range of topics too in his evidence, but one of the standout moments, as you say,

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